Canon Law Blog Update--decree imposing excommunication for female ‘ordination’
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From: Edward Peters
Date: Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:38 AM
For a closer look at the CDF decree imposing excommunication for female 'ordination'.
From: Edward Peters
Date: Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:38 AM
For a closer look at the CDF decree imposing excommunication for female 'ordination'.
posted by WI Catholic @ 5/30/2008 03:02:00 PM
5 Comments:
Once again the Catholic Church shows its utter disregard and contempt for those who have been abandoned by their spouses, who have taken up with lovers.
These are welcomed into the Catholic Church with open arms. But try to become a female priest and you are excommunicated.
What a joke.
Karl
No WI, I am not pro- women's ordination. You know me better.
Each day that goes by the correctness of my formal defection fron the Catholic Church is reinforced.
Our vows and our circumstances mean absolutely nothing to this very, very sick Church.
Hi, Karl!
Yes, I know that you are not pro-women's ordination. I do know you better, and I do understand why you feel as you do.
Sad smile... and though I also feel the same way about no fault divorce and the subsequent ease of 'annulments' in the US d/t ignorance of what no fault truly is, and the failure of most to understand what Jesus Himself taught... you know that included in my prayers is for Him to show you a way to return to His Church.
That aside, I often think about where your case is currently. Any further developments?
Keep fighting the good fight, Karl. And God bless!
Dear WI,
On more than a few blogs, I am considered a piece of garbage due to my furious opposition to the pastoral practices of the Catholic Church, its nullity mills and its complete failure to address injustices which have been left at its door, some of which are documentary and thus need no further substantiation.
My situation is long over, WI, in the eyes of the Catholic Church and in the eyes of Kool-Aid drinking, run-of-the-mill Catholics, who think I should be jumping for joy that I convinced six judges on the Roman Rota(rather the strength of the facts and the skill of my Rotal Attorney, Martha Wegan, did) to deny my dear wife her annulment.
It does not matter that from the beginning, even before our divorce(which I opposed vainly due to no-fault laws in Iowa, where we lived only so I could go to school yet my darling was allowed to establish residency in order to divorce me(known and blessed corruptly by the Catholic Church)) the Catholic Church had no interest in acting to help us save our marriage, when even my darling said that was what she wanted to do(yes, there are/were numerous witnesses to this). Numerous priests declined, who were in excellent positions to act but did not care.
It does not matter that an Anglican convert/Catholic priest, without bothering to contact me, although he knew me somewhat, encouraged my wife to divorce me and later on sponsored THE PETITION that started it all with the Church, that was a rag filled with falsehood and some outright perjury. He knew of the falsehood and lied along with my dear.
It does not matter that I offered three separate witnesses to the Judicial Vicar in Iowa, on the first day I met him after I received the Church letter informing me of THE PETITION(I drove to Iowa to see him and our children) to expose the perjury and lies. The JD refused to hear me.
It does not matter that the JD committed numerous violations of Canon Law and respect for a PRESUMED MARRIAGE.
It does not matter the the JD of a MAJOR ARCHDIOCESE in the NORTHEAST/MIDATLANTIC JUNCTION, sent our case back, illegally, to the JD in IOWA, who had all but promised my wife that he would deliver her a null decision.
I could go on a long time, WI, but you get the picture.
None of my complaints were ever dealt with, ever. They were and remain ignored. My hatred over these injustices being ignored is worse, to bigots with Roman Collars and cowardly laymen(both sexes)who follow and admire the corruption of the Catholic Church rather than having any desire to see it cleansed and made whole through righteousness, than the grave injustices of the acts which encouraged, directly, the destruction of a valid marriage and the violation of five precious children and an innocent spouse, and forced a twelve-year process, which ultimately reached the same conclusion, after three separate courts mutilated it and draged our life and marriage through HELL, that I BEGGED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO ACCEPT AND DEFEND FROM BEFORE OUR DIVORCE!!!!!!!!!!!
I have not met a single non-corrupted bishop in the United States, not one. They all, every single one whom I have attempted to contact for help, do not care to address factual injustices or to even try to comprehend what they are doing with their pastoral practices and their tribunals. Their minds are made up. They do not care to even listen to those whose lives they have destroyed.
From the outset, every bishop and priest where my wife and her lover have lived have supported adultery, remarriage without annulment(because that is what the Catholic Church does corporately since 1977, when it disgarded excommunication for such abominations!) and my persecution, accepting fully, a divorce from which I could not defend myself or the rights of our children to BOTH parents. All of these men know of the wrongs I still endure and the sufferings of our children but not one single priest or bishop cares one IOTA. They are all lovers of SATAN, wholeheartedly. Yet I am no good because I have not stopped complaining.
I am supposed to shut up and bear my cross. These same false Catholics probably support the bishops who knowingly protected pedophiles and scream when justice is sought against the corrupted bishops/Church. The Catholic Church is a cesspool, WI.
It does not matter that it is truly the Church that Jesus Christ Himself built upon the Rock of Saint Peter. It needs to practice justice. It has no right to hide behind the robes of Jesus Christ as an excuse.
Those Catholics who defend it against charges like mine, which can be proven, or could have been years ago, decades ago when they were first made, should, themselves be formally excommunicated from the Church along with the priests and bishops who have done what they have done by failing to act to work to heal a valid marriage.
The story is WI, that I have sought since 1989, before we were divorced, the Catholic Church to intercede to defend a valid marriage. Rather than ever consider doing that, it was PRESUMED that our marriage was NEVER VALID and the Church has NEVER STOPPED ITS ASSAULT ON OUR MARRIAGE, in spite of two Rotal decisions upholding its validity.
The joke is, WI, that priests have(bishops have consented at least tacitly) and continue to tell my wife that her marriage really is INVALID, she just COULD NOT PROVE IT IN COURT. So her continued relationship with her adulterous lover will wait till I die, so the Catholic Church can finally mock our valid marriage and allow these criminals to marry in the Catholic Church. This type of false teaching, like false female ordinations, directly confounds and confuses countless catholics and effectively, pastorally, destroys/NULLIFIES valid marriages and should be subject to the same penalties as the women who seek and the religious who support the fake ordinations. Priests(and the bishops who turn the other way when their priests/laymen do such "counseling") are DIRECTLY COUNTERMANDING decisions of Papal(Rota) courts, which are part of the ordinary magisterium of the Church. Such blatent and false teaching is disgusting.
I am scum because I believed in the vows I spoke. I am a monster because I have sinned and I was not a perfect spouse. So I DESERVE being destroyed and mocked by this SELF-RIGHTEOUS CHURCH, that hides behind Christ rather than being a living witness to HIS DEMANDS for holiness. I, an abandoned spouse, am subjected to more ridicule than priests and bishops who are allowed all types of criminal behaviors because they simply are not accountable under Canon Law(to normal people) and are insulated by others and by their positions and by the inertia of a Church which is so corrupt that it destroys those who love it and who try to show it its errors yet coddles those who undermine its very existance, by destroying marriages and corruptuing the children of valid marriages, through the support of rogue priests and bishops who directly disobey explicite Papal teachings and rulings.
Where are the good priests? Where are the good bishops? I have seen none.
WI, after sixteen years of begging the Catholic Church to act to defend a valid, sacrament to no avail, I formally defected from the faith about two years ago. In fact, earlier today, I wrote to the Judicial Vicar in New York, requesting that he follow-up on my request to formally defect from the Church. I asked him to acknowledge that it has been done as I requested, in writing. I expect to hear from him next week sometime.
There will be no new developments, sadly, WI. The Catholic Church has abandoned the truth, completely. I have no hope of ever returning to the Church.
Please keep us all in your prayers.
Thank you and please do not take any of my statements, personally.
I want the Church to see what it is doing and it refuses to open its ears, much less its intellect and heart.
Karl
WI, I am not sure if this post went through, so I sent it again.
Thank you.
I am glad you sent it again, because I did not get it before. I have to run to work, but wanted to get this onto my blog. I will respond further tomorrow when I get home from work.
God bless, Karl!
Hey, Karl... Hi, again.
I am sorry it took so very long to get back to you. I had to work more in a row than I am used to, plus go to a wedding right in the middle of those shifts. So, I didn't do much blogging.
For some reason, I thought you had successfully three times. But I agree that it is very wrong that no one has followed up on those
valid verdicts and informed the two of the consequences instead of continuing to encourage them together.
I keep hearing some say that when the US Tribunals give their findings of NULL, 'we' who choose to live our vows MUST accept the results. I have pointed out many times that we have the right to appeal, but I have also told those who are angry on forums that THEY also must accept (and prepare for) a ruling that is not that 'nearly guaranteed annulment' that they think they have a right to.
Internal forum is not to be used in matters relating to Validity/Nullity. Marriage is public, not a private affair, hence the need for witnesses. As such, it must be examined through external forum EXCEPT in very rare instances, from what I have learned. Yet here, it seems to be applied often--esp in cases like yours, where the Rota has found in favor of Validity.
I am still praying, Karl. If it takes a miracle that someone finally hears us and stands with us for you to return, so be it. I pray for a miracle all the time anyway, so perhaps He will act swiftly (In His time... not my favorite song...).
My children were tiny when our story began. I have just learned that I will be able to hold my newest grandchild in Jan, 2009.
My heart grieves for you, Karl. I grieve for all of us who honor our vows taken before God and man in today's US divorce culture, and 'easy annulment' Church culture.
God bless!
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