Wednesday, October 01, 2008

Lori Kalner speaks out on youtube Children Sing for Obama

Last night, I found that the original youtube of the children singing for Obama has been made private, but I found it online, and I have downloaded it.

I wrote to Bodie Thoene, and asked her if she and Brock had seen/heard it, and sent her the url of where it IS still online. I asked her what she thought of it, and she wrote back not long after, saying she was going to speak to Lori Kalner.

Lori is older, and is not well, but she has responded after watching the video herself... From the Thoene's, and then from Lori:






Last night Lori Kalner, of The Zion Covenant,
 heard an Obama political ad.

The voices of innocent children were raised in a hymn of praise to Obama.
The words of the song awakened a childhood memory, long dormant in her heart,
 and she has written a Word of warning to every Christian
who is able to hear. 
History is repeating itself.

www.Thoenebooks.com

HYMN TO HITLER
Posted by: Lori Kalner on Wednesday, October 01, 2008
Hymn to Hitler
by
Lori Kalner


In Germany, when Hitler came to power, it was a time of terrible financial depression.  Money was worth nothing.   In Germany people lost homes and jobs, just like in the American Depression in the 1930s, which we have read about in Thoene's Shiloh books.
          In those days, in my homeland, Adolph Hitler was elected to power by promising  "Change." 
          He blamed the "Zionists" around the world for all our problems.  He told everyone it was greedy Zionist Bankers who had caused every problem we had.    He promised when he was leader,  the greedy Zionist bankers would be punished.   The Zionists, he promised, would be wiped off the face of the earth.
             So Hitler was elected to power by only 1/3 the popular vote.  A coalition of other political parties in parliament made him supreme leader.   Then, when he was leader, he disgraced and expelled everyone in parliament who did not go along with him. 
         Yes.   Change came to my homeland as the new leader promised it would. 
           The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler.  This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement.   It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Hymns in praise of Hitler and his programs were being sung in the schoolrooms and in the playyard.   Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school.
         My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school.   The political hymns of children proclaimed Change was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust.
          I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear.  He knew that the best propaganda of the Nazis was song on the lips of little children. 
          That evening before he said grace at the dinner table, he placed his hands upon the heads of my brothers and me and prayed the Living Word upon us from Jeremiah 1:4-5…
    
'Now the Word of the Lord came to me, saying,
         "Before I formed you in the
           womb I knew you,
           and before you were born I
            consecrated you;
           I appointed you a prophet to
           The nations."  

Soon the children's songs praising the Fuhrer were heard everywhere on the streets and over the radio.   "With our Fuhrer to lead us, we can do it! We can change the world!"
             Soon after that Papa, a pastor, was turned away from visiting elderly parishioners in hospitals.  The people he had come to bring comfort of God's Word, were "no longer there." 
          Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care?   It became an open secret.  The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as "mercy killing" became the policy.  Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized.  
          People whispered,  "Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery.   They are no longer suffering…And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation.  Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden."  
          And so murder was called mercy.
     
The government took over private business.   Industry and health care were "nationalized."   (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized.  (Perhaps you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht in the book Munich Signature) 
     
The world and God's word were turned upside down.  Hitler promised the people economic Change?
           Not change.  It was, rather, Lucifer's very ancient Delusion leading to Destruction. 
        What began with the propaganda of children singing a catchy tune ended in the deaths of millions of children. The reality of what came upon us is so horrible that you in this present generation cannot imagine it.  
         Our suffering is too great to ever tell in a book or show in a black and white newsreel.  
           When I spoke to Bodie about some of these things, she wept and said she could not bear to write them.    Perhaps one day she will, but  I asked her, "who could bear to read our suffering?" 
            Yet with my last breaths I warn every Christian and Jew now in the name of the Lord, 
           Unless your course of the church in America is spiritually changed now, returning to the Lord, there are new horrors yet to come.

I trembled last night when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah. 
          Yet I have heard what this man Obama says about abortion and the "mercy killing" of tiny babies who are not wanted.    
     
There are so few of us left to warn you.  
           I have heard that there are 69 million Catholics in America and 70 million Evangelical Christians. 
            Where are your voices?  Where is your outrage?  Where is passion and your vote?   
            Do you vote based on an abortionist's empty promises and economics?  Or do you vote according to the Bible? 
            Thus says the Lord about every living child still in the womb…

            "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
          and before you were born I consecrated you…"
       
          I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth.
           I see them again now.
           Christians!    Unless you stand up now, you will lose your freedom of religion. 
           In America priests and preachers have already lost their freedom to speak openly from their pulpits of moral danger in political candidates. They cannot legally instruct you of which candidate holds fast to the precepts of scripture!  American law forbids this freedom of speech to conservative pastors or they will lose their "tax exempt" status.   
           And yet I have heard the words of Obama's pastor Damning America! I have heard the words of Obama damning and mocking all of you in small towns because you "Cling to your religion…"    
             But I am a woman whose name is unknown.   My life is recorded as a work of fiction.   I have no fear of reprisal when I speak truth to you from the pages of a book.  (Though the Zion Covenant books are mocked and condemned by the Left in America.)
            I am an old woman and will soon go to be with my Lord. I have no fear for myself, but for all of you and for your children, I tremble.  
          I tremble at the hymns to a political leaders which your children will sing at school.  (Though even now a hymn or a prayer to God and our Lord Jesus is against the law in public school!) 
           Your vote must put a stop to what will come upon America if Barrack Obama is elected.       
           I pray you will personally heed this warning for the sake of your children and your grandchildren.  Do not be deceived.
          The Lord in Jeremiah 1:7-8 commands every believer to speak up! 

         "Do not say, 'I am only a youth,' for to all whom I send you, you shall go, and whatever I command you, you shall speak.  Do not be afraid of them for I am with you, declares the Lord!"

I am in Prayer for you, and for the Church!
Spoken to you in the authority of Jesus the Christ, 
the Name Above All Names,
Lori Kalner


Copyright © 2008    Thoenebooks.com






41 Comments:

Blogger meggimugs said...

Yup, that is all true and very eery. Talk about the past coming alive, but better yet will we learn from the past? Too bad schooling in America is so bad, most don't know about this. She needs to get on utube and set it off. Of course we will in Barry O have the President of the World, I mean like "gag me with a spoon" as my Valley talk comes back to haunt all who listen - Meg

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 at 5:47:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Thirty years ago or so when I first 'saw this' coming, I was not scared, just curious as to how it would happen. Now... though I can say that we need to get our oil lamps ready, with plenty of oil so we are not 'someplace else' when the Bridegroom comes, I still find this sequence frightening, Meg.

And I still sit in awe and CANNOT understand how so many cannot see what is happening....

Divine Mercy may be playing continually in my home from now on, on the DVD I have of Donna Cori Gibson.

It is also here...
http://www.catholic.org/video/?v=220

God bless!

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 at 8:08:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bevy said...

This is a very good entry! I put a link from my personal blog which I just changed the name to Vote for McCain-Palin.

I've prayed to the Lord and told Him - IF He cares for us - He'll NOT let Barry get the Presidency. I pray this will not happen ... and NEVER in America. But the Left is getting increasingly desparate and angry about their not getting their way.
But I believe that the middle/moderate of the country runs the election and they don't show up IN POLLS.
God bless America!! Thanks, Bevy

Thursday, October 2, 2008 at 12:20:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Yes, I have many of Lori's letters from the Thoene blog here, because she did live through it, and she has been warning us, the most strongly with the last two (including this one).

I keep praying ...

God bless!

Thursday, October 2, 2008 at 3:32:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Bevy said...

Thanks for your kind note - I'm glad you've gotten some traffic!
I've readjusted the article regarding this and put it as the FIRST one people see. :)
God bless and still praying here too.

Thursday, October 2, 2008 at 3:58:00 PM CDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With all due respect, the leap escapes me. How do we get from kids singing about Obama (a little sappy but cute) to Hitler?
Goodwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies states that there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 at 8:27:00 AM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

To my anonymous visitor from Detroit MI IP Address 76.226.5.103
Time of Visit Oct 14 2008 8:19:04 am

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." George Santayana

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

"Better be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident security." Edmund Burke


By the way, it is GODWIN, not GOODWIN's Law. And the part that YOU have used here is NOT from Godwin. It is designed to stop any accurate discussion of comparisons between today's events and historical events by minimizing what has been said to tripe. It will not work here.

God bless!

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 at 1:30:00 PM CDT  
Anonymous Jackie said...

Thank you for your correction. I frequently get things wrong. Your quotes are lovely. They do not answer the question which I asked. How do you get from Obama himself..through the children singing ... to Hitler? I am sure you have concrete reasons to make the connection. Of course I am not in any way saying you are wrong. Just how did you get there?

Jackie in MI

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 at 5:15:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Did you read Lori's letter? Lori clearly states that the propagandists used the children, just as does this teacher.

In Germany, they had the children singing 'cute' and 'innocuous' songs to and about their 'leader' in adoring terms, catchy tunes, spreading his message. Those children did not realize what they were singing, and did NOT ask to be taught the songs by the adults in their lives anymore than these kids did in Kathy Sawada's 'class'.

It is indoctrination. I have never liked any use of children in advertising, but those songs are more than just advertising. Those songs are written by a teacher, produced for distribution by adults, and taught to the children, and are all slogans/mottos... just as they were back then.

From Lori....

The teachers in German schools began to teach the children to sing songs in praise of Hitler. This was the beginning of the Hitler Youth movement. It began with praise of the Fuhrer's programs on the lips of innocent children. Hymns in praise of Hitler and his programs were being sung in the schoolrooms and in the playyard. Little girls and boys joined hands and sang these songs as they walked home from school.

My brother came home and told Papa what was happening at school. The political hymns of children proclaimed Change was coming to our homeland and the Fuhrer was a leader we could trust.

I will never forget my father's face. Grief and fear. HE KNEW THAT THE BEST PROPAGANDA OF THE NAZIS WAS SONG ON THE LIPS OF LITTLE CHILDREN.


History can teach a lot, and can cause one to listen PAST the rhetoric, PAST the 'cutesy' slogans, and see things as they are. It has taken a lot longer here in the US than it did in Germany, but people have forgotten how to do critical thinking today. They listen to slogans; they listen to polls; they listen to pop stars; they listen to cute kids singing their teacher's words to cute tunes, doing cute dance steps/signs; and they miss the lessons of history.

Get the children when they are young... that was one of the philosophies of the Nazi Party, and is why Hitler Youth was such a forceful (and forced) part of that regime.

Santayana speaks clearly......
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 9:26:00 AM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssC7aSZnAX8

Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 9:48:00 AM CDT  
Anonymous redboy said...

When and where did Barack obama proclaim that he was the messiah of the united states. And now we are comparing barack obama to Hitler because some children sang a song in praise of him??

I do agree that there are a lack of critical thinkers in the US. Any one gullible enough to believe or put any value in Lori Kalners writing need do critically read this piece. I really doubt Lori Kalner exists.

Is this the way to get votes for McCain by scaring people into thinking Obama will turn this country into Nazi Germany?

Do you live in a small town? Especially one wracked by a loss of jobs and unemployment. I do and Obama is not far from the truth. This is alarmist drivel trying to scare people.

Saturday, October 18, 2008 at 12:36:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Redboy,

I do not think that there is one place in any of MY posts, nor of Lori's emails from the Thoene's blog that says Obama has called himself a messiah. Nor do I think that it is correct to say that HE is being compared to Hitler in this particular post.

The topic is the propaganda styles that were used then, and are being used now. The topic is the similarities of people turning to someone who runs on 'Change' and not paying attention to what is really being said in the many soundbytes and 'polls' and biased news coverage. The topic is the similarity of events then that were witnessed by a woman who very much DOES exist with things happening now, today.

I am very sorry that you think it is gullible to listen to someone who LIVED through a country going from one form of gov't to a totalitarian form of gov't in a relatively short time, and how it happened. You need to speak to a few other survivors of those times, I think. OR to those who suddenly found themselves under Communist rule. It is too long ago to speak to those who survived the Bolshevik revolution.

You truly think it cannot happen here? It is happening in Venezuela with Hugo Chavez taking over the news, etc. It has happened in other nations, and we are not immune.

When the checks and balances of our Constitution are removed as they will be with a Federal Justice System that MAKES laws, and a Legislative Branch that also causes more and more to become dependent on Gov't, AND an Executive Branch that is leaning toward a more socialist form of gov't... a lot can happen.

Scare tactics? I think not. A realistic view of how propaganda sways people to 'change' that is NOT good, that is NOT going to preserve our rights, nor protect the citizen's of our country.

As for Lori being a real person...you take that one up with Brock and Bodie Thoene, who have known her for years.

By the way, as for your statement about it being OBAMA who will turn this country into something it is not supposed to be? No, not Obama.

The people who fall for the rhetoric, who want the gov't to 'gimme more', who pay more attention to the polls and soundbytes and 'cute kids' singing 'cute propaganda' and see nothing to worry about... those people who will vote for Obama without KNOWING what he stands for, what he is saying, etc JUST because he sounds 'good'.. those are the ones who will turn this country into something that our Founding Fathers would roll over in their grave to see happen.

Listen to Howard Stern's guy Sal interviewing three people in Harlem, REALLY listen to it...

As for where I live. Yes, I do, and I have lived in small towns that have lost their ONE company that most of the town worked in, several times. Merrill lost their paper company. Kimberly has lost theirs, Oshkosh has lost many businesses, big ones...

And a LOT of that loss stemmed from the high taxation here in WI, as well as outsourcing of jobs to other countries. Merrill? IP not only shut the Mill down, refused to sell the company, removed the machines to another mill that they owned, but also left the dam in danger of breaching. MOST of that city, that area, had been employed by that mill for years.

Economics is NOT the primary thing if LIFE is in danger.

God bless!

Sunday, October 19, 2008 at 11:02:00 AM CDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,

Thank you for allowing me to participate in this dialogue. I have no real comment of my own, but here is the quote to which allusion was made (cut-and-pasted from Ms. Kalner's article on your blog):

"I trembled last night when I heard the voices of American children raised in song, praising the name of Obama, the charismatic fellow who claims he is the American Messiah."

Just wanted to point out that it is on your blogsite, so you may want to respond differently.

Blessings,

jan

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 at 10:21:00 AM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

You are welcome.

However, I am not going to pick Lori's letter apart, nor try to explain her words further. Lori can be reached through the Thoene blog, by writing to either of the Thoene's.

The message that Lori is sending is a warning about the events of today echoing the events of a time that she lived through. She lived that time. She watched it happen, and she is sending a warning, because she is seeing it happen again.

God bless!

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 at 10:38:00 AM CDT  
Anonymous redboy said...

"AND an Executive Branch that is leaning toward a more socialist form of gov't... a lot can happen."

I'm sorry but you are talking about being subject to media propaganda etc. How more socialist can you get than $700 billion given to walstreet and governement basically socializing the banking industry.

Mr. McCain is proposing that the government buy individual mortgages. That isn't socialism? All I hear from conservatives is the same tired scare tactics being spewed by Rush, sean hannity etc.

Socialist, William Ayers, Rev. Wright, and now the drug issue. Is that not the same as liberal medial propoganda?

Tuesday, October 21, 2008 at 8:59:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Uhm, last time I looked, the Democrats had the majority in the Legislative body.

I remember when Senator Dole and others tried to make changes with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mae in 2003, 2005, and 2007. McCain was a co-sponsor of a bill with her at least one of those times. It never got anywhere with the Senate. Barney Frank (Democrat) was one of those who were on the other side then, and he is introducing even more funding for 'bail out' now.

You cannot lay that bailout solely and completely on the Executive Branch of our gov't when we have a mostly Democratic Legislative Branch that voted for it, and when there is a history of that same Branch NOT paying attention to those who tried to make changes long ago, before we got to this point.

Hannity does not speak for me. I can think of at least three times that I have blogged about disagreeing with him on various issues, including his pushing Rudy as a potential candidate for Presidency. When I have put a video here that came from his program, it is because I am interested in the guest, not because I walk lock-step with Hannity.

I also have no opportunity to listen to Rush due to my schedule. Occasionally I will hear about something he said that I may agree with.

There is a huge difference between differing view points and propagandizing. I hear BOTH sides on Fox News during the time when I am able to listen. I gave up on that long ago with CNN.

Did you listen to Howard Stern's guy Sal interviewing three people in Harlem? There are many people who have NO idea what Obama or McCain stand for other than sound bytes and campaign rhetoric. There are people who actually believe that Obama is pro-life (he is the most pro-abortion candidate that has ever run for Presidential office).

God bless!

Wednesday, October 22, 2008 at 1:31:00 AM CDT  
Blogger investor said...

Wow.

Someone posted Lori's letter on a forum and I started doing a bit of research and landed here.

Thank you for sharing this!

It seems that a huge number of American people have been struck deaf, dumb and stupid, mesmerized by a chant of 'change' with no substance.

I'm praying hard that God will open the hearts and the eyes of the people to the Truth of who Barack Obama is and exactly what he stands for.

I would like to reproduce this letter on our newsletter blog with a link back to you, if I may?

I have subscribed to receive new comments and I await your reply or you can contact me through http://christiansoldiersonline.org

Blessings!

IHS,

Bruce

Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 6:40:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Yes, Bruce. However, the original site it was posted on is the Thoene blog. I simply sent the video to Bodie, and she contacted Lori Kalner.

Lori Kalner is about 86 or 87 now. Pray for her as she is not well. She looks forward to going Home. I, however, am glad that she has lived long enough to tell us how today is so similar to the times of her youth.

God bless!

Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 6:50:00 PM CDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the thousands of children killed in Iraq because of Bush? McCain is more of the same. his is the culture of death. I dare you to post this.

Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 7:32:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Two comments:

ONE, I have very very rarely not posted a comment here. No need to 'dare' me. But when someone comes here and does this anonymously, they get their IP Address 96.248.233.139 noted.

Two: As for your comment, it is blatantly false. Period.

Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 7:56:00 PM CDT  
Blogger investor said...

Thank you, so much.

I linked back to you both.

The Obama Legacy - History in the Re-Making

IHS,

Bruce
http://christiansoldiersonline.org

Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 7:58:00 PM CDT  
Blogger investor said...

Anonymous is often synonymous with coward on forums and blog comments.

Having said that, there is no comparison to the war in Iraq and the travesty of 50,000,000 babies ripped out of the womb with the blessings of Barack Hussein Obama.

Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 8:02:00 PM CDT  
Blogger Helen said...

I think you are a complete nut, but you are a complete nut who apparently has influenced a few other complete nuts in the United States.

Sunday, November 2, 2008 at 4:31:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

You are entitled to your opinion, but differences in opinion does not mean one has to be sane, and the other a complete nut.

Lori lived through what she now sees happening here. She was sane then. She is sane now.

God bless.

Sunday, November 2, 2008 at 5:30:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

... and a 2 min 33 sec visit isn't long enough to know me.

smile... God bless again.

Sunday, November 2, 2008 at 5:39:00 PM CST  
Blogger Kevin A. said...

I really feel that an Obama presidency would be disastrous to our nation. We are close to electing a man who has supported some of the most horrific things (such as denying treatment to babies born alive after an abortion attempt) to our highest office. If we elect him, it will be nearly impossible to stop abortion in this nation for at least a generation (although with God all things are possible). I feel like this is our last chance, and if we choose a culture of death over a culture of life in this election, it will spell disaster for our country and the world.

Monday, November 3, 2008 at 1:29:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

I agree. I also checked your blog just now before responding to you, and found that you had also read Mark Mallet's blog, but you have a video on yours that I had not yet seen. I had just been to the Mallet blog before I checked my email and found your comment.

God bless, Kevin!

Monday, November 3, 2008 at 2:25:00 PM CST  
Blogger Sandy said...

Lori's comments should frighten anyone into praying. Some of us who have "spiritual eyes" have seen this coming and have seen through the rhetoric and charisma. It is definitely the time when "they will have eyes but not see". All we can do is pray and seek refuge in Mother Mary's heart.

Monday, November 3, 2008 at 2:50:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Amen, Sandy! Amen...

God bless!

Monday, November 3, 2008 at 3:09:00 PM CST  
Blogger Mary said...

When I was a teen, I went to an area Congress day. Each of us in our small groups needed to give a speech on what we would do if elected to their teen board. Not knowing what to say, I gave a flowery speech about how wonderful everything would be if I was elected. Everything I said was “hot air” and I still got elected. I think of this when I hear Obama and his fancy speeches about change.

Let's get out of the dream world and be realistic!

Mary

Monday, November 3, 2008 at 8:08:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

I think that happens a lot, Mary!

I fear it may happen again.

I VOTED TODAY, with my Mom... So I am done, and it is now in God's hands.

God bless!

Monday, November 3, 2008 at 9:47:00 PM CST  
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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 at 8:02:00 AM CST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have something to say. I just felt compelled to add more here because this type of frenzied, misguided fear-mongering tactic has finally started to get me down.

Hitler, unlike Obama, first instigated violence in the countrysides of Germany, barking like a mad dog, raving against the Jews, well before the Chancellor stepped down and Hitler took official control. Hitler never spoke of people of all races uniting (as Obama does); Obama hasn't used antagonistic paranoid Bushonian language like the "Axis of Evil". Also, paint me silly but I could have sworn Mr. Obama used traditional political circuits to get where he is today.

The last time I checked we still have a system of checks and balances, unlike Hitler's Germany. We are protected by the power of impeachment should Obama color too far outside the box.

I see nothing irrational or pathological about people celebrating the leader they peacefully and democratically chose. We the People have suffered under 8 years of muddled leadership whereby our fundamental rights were starting to get fuzzy, a war was initiated on false premises and our gov't violated habeus corpus, as well as threatened our right to privacy via the Patriot Act.

Under Bush, people have been inspired to point fingers, talking about "true Americans" (versus? ) and speaking in terms of "good" and "evil" in a way that oversimplifies our problems and invites further, superstitious paranoid thinking, not unlike H's Germany. In fact, Sarah Palin did a fine job of mirroring such language recently.

The lack of cooperation/bullying of other countries by our gov't recently, mixed with the Bush brand of hyper-masculinized nationalism, more closely resemble Hitler's Germany ... more so than anything Obama has said or done in the past 21 months. For all the crazy talk of communism and socialism, we've taken several steps toward fascism in the past 8 years.

Monday, November 10, 2008 at 8:49:00 PM CST  
Anonymous Tommy Lee NC said...

I recieved just as much, if not more, "propaganda" from the republicans during this election. I saw children forced to wear McCain shirts and pens and carry signs promoting McCain. Was this by their choice? Did their parents force them to as an effort to show youth support? I can't answer for that. But I will say that your post here is absolutely off the wall. Comparing Obama to the rise of Hilter is the most obsurd thing I've ever heard. You are living in a capitalist country. Money makes our country go around. Money buys bread to feed the hungry and the energy to make country grow. You want a change in that... talk to the millionaires and billionaires that hoard the money and control these aspects. Not the common population that is suffering.
And as for the war, Bush and McCain are war. Iraq... what's the point? Thousands dead for what reason? Obama was against the war in Iraq since day one.
Abortion is an issue that will always be around. Will God punish America? We'll see. Did He punish Germany? That's a very selfish and out-of-line statement to imply that God used Hilter to punish Germany. What of the whole of Europe that suffered through the fascist rise? Were they punished by God? Who are you to answer for God in that?
It's a shame... it really is. But who are you to say these things.
I know what you are... I know where you come from... and I know the people that follow you.
About me: I am a Christian, a believer in Jesus Christ as the savior. I am a combat veteran that has paid a price for this country and the president that sent me to Iraq. I am a friend of fallen soldiers. I am not a democrat or a republican. I am the husband of a legal immagrant that is not of my race. I enjoy alcoholic drinks because there is nothing in the Bible that forbids it... the Bible forbids the behavoir of the drunkard.
You say it's in God's hands now. Well, it appears God allowed Obama to win the election. Or did the people use their free-will? Are you going to oppose God's allowance and rebel against Obama? Does not the Bible say we are to follow our leaders and obey them as we obey Jesus... for God will judge them, not us? I had to as I was being hit by bombs and shot at in Iraq. Or will you blame an ignorant American population? Who are you to say you are better than all the people that voted for Obama? Or Obama himself? That's a very selfish and judgemental position.
You have the power of God, right? You are to use the Holy Bible as your sword. I can see you have... perverted the Bible to mean what you'd like so you can sound relgious and call the attention of many. This is how cult leaders are made. This is how Hitler and the other tyrants came to power.
I am relieved to the fact that more and more people like you will be dead before my children come into this world. I am very proud of so many of America's youth that know the truth and will not follow the likes of you.
Obama won the election. Praise God!

Monday, November 10, 2008 at 11:28:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Anonymous from 11/10 8:40 PM

Hitler isn't Obama, nor did Hitler live in today's world. Hitler and his propagandists used radio, film, newspapers, speeches, cartoons, and children's books to advance his agenda. Obama has 24/7 cable coverage, newspapers (one of which has even admitted to having actively worked to get Obama elected! And who knows where the money for his campaign came from.....

Hitler's goal was about a Third Reich, his Aryan racial utopia. Obama has larger goals. Hitler also used Germany's 'traditional political circuits' to get to where he could take control. Germany had elected him to office.

The system of checks and balances is based on the Judicial Branch being Judicial, not law-making activism, on the Legislative Branch passing laws that the people who elected them want, and the Executive Branch signing them into law--simply put. There are other functions, but these are the basics. When you have a Democratic Senator who is so left of any other become President, and you have a Democratic Senate/Congress who have the ability to shut down the opposing side even in Filibuster, and almost over-ride any veto solely on a partisan basis---and these people will 1) Nominate Federal Judges, 2) Approve those Nominations with little disagreement as long as they don't have any bone to pick with Roe or Doe, etc--- the chances of ANY checks and balances is nearly nil.

As far as name-calling goes... What exactly is the 'vast, right-wing conspiracy' ? 'They' were the Clinton's personal 'enemies' according to then Mrs Clinton. She managed to label many people with that wide brush, and it is still used today.

As for the Axis of Evil--there is a large segment of Islamic fundamentalist that are doing MUCH evil, and want to wipe out Israel and the US. They truly are enemies, not just political adversaries. They have killed people (Colonel Richard Higgins, Daniel Pearl, Mohammed Taha, those who died in the World Trade Center, the USS Cole, our Embassies that were bombed, in Sudan, in East Timor, and so many others... including Atwar Bahjat -- a WOMAN
( http://shootingmessengers.blogspot.com/2006/05/iraqi-journalist-beheaded.html )
You don't call that Evil?

As for the rest of your comment... you are entitled to your opinion.

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 12:03:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

Tommy Lee NC

First, there is no need to send same message twice. I work. I moderate, and I do it on MY time, as I am able.

The wearing of tee shirts is NOT the same as having young children mocked in a classroom by a teacher, including telling one daughter of a deployed soldier that her choice of a candidate could keep her father in Iraq for a hundred years, or having young teens 'drill' to Obama chants in school, or having young children sing glowing praises to Obama.

Germany was also a capitalist country, and it was exactly the economy and 'change' that got Hitler elected. Those who advocate the millionaires and billionaires 'sharing the wealth are advocating socialism.

The letter is a warning to wake people up to what is happening, for those who refuse to open their eyes and see what is taking place in our country before it is too late. It is written by a woman who LIVED during that time.

The rest of your comment is not worthy of response.

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 12:26:00 PM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

This email came in as a result of the last two comments:

Dear WI Catholic,
Historical fact:
Before Hitler, the Weimar Republic of Germany was a government much like our own. Hitler was elected to Parliament with only 1/3 of the vote. (No need for Acorn to pack ballot boxes) 83% of Christians of all denominations voted for him.
On the platform of National Socialism (Nazi) economics CHANGE was proclaimed and promised.
Just as we see today, politicians blamed "Jewish bankers" (i.e. Wall Street) and the sitting Parliament (i.e. Republicans) for the Depression. Hitler, THE ONE LEADER, formed coalitions within Parliament and was then made Chancellor. Laws were changed to fit the National Socialist agenda. Courts were packed with compliant judges. Children were forced into education programs at school which required education in National Socialism and "community service." Children were encouraged to "inform" on friends and family. Prayer was removed from schools. Anyone who disagreed with Socialist government policies (i.e. abortion, euthanasia) was labeled a radical. This included Protestant Christians of the Confessing Church like Bonhoeffer and Catholics who opposed abortion, euthanasia and forced sterilization.

Our issue as Christ Followers is this: Obama's proven policy of abortion on demand and infanticide - the government approved slaughter of 48 million babies. This alone is eternally significant even if the racism of Jeremiah Wright and the radical education policies of Bill Ayers had never been brought up.
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan is calling Obama "The Messiah."
There is only one who is The Messiah. That is Jesus Christ.

Truth and facts are not "Republican propaganda." America has elected a man who with Pelosi and Reid in both Houses, and the probability of a packed Supreme Court, will continue and encourage genocide of the most vulnerable citizens; the unborn; and the elderly. In our own land this has surpassed the numbers of innocent victims murdered in the holocaust many times over. A generation is wiped out. Now more innocent babies will die because America wanted "change" and too many ignored the teachings of the church on the sanctity of life.
God does not "punish", he simply steps back when his people choose to follow a false god. By voting for Hitler and agreeing with his policies, Germans punished themselves. They themselves let the wolf guard the lambs. Their nation fell because of this terrible evil.
50% of America voted brought Obama into power over our lives. That leaves 48% of us who must now continue to speak for those who have no voice.
Have no doubt the false Christians who disregard abortion as any issue at all, will accuse you of extremism and hate speak. Have no doubt your stand against this holocaust will cost you something on earth, but you are standing up for everything the Lord holds dear.
To warn is not "fear mongering." It is warning those in peril of their souls. I do believe this election says more about the pathetic condition of an apathetic church than it does about Obama who is only one man.

Use my name any time you like. Post what you believe is relevant. I believe many who voted for LIFE may now become complacent even though our battle has just begun.

Blessings and love dear sister,
Bodie Thoene


Dear Bodie,

Thank you! God bless!

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 12:39:00 PM CST  
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Sunday, December 28, 2008 at 8:05:00 AM CST  
Blogger WICatholic said...

"Hal Turner Show"

Your comments will not be on my blog.

Christians know that Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the 12 Apostles, first Martyr, and earliest followers of Jesus Christ were all Jewish.

Christians also know that our Faith is built on the very Old Testament that you quote.

Anti-Jewish (Anti-Semitic) diatribes are not welcome here. It will not even be discussed.

Sunday, December 28, 2008 at 7:08:00 PM CST  
Anonymous agnostic said...

Hitler was appointed Chancellor after Hindenburg and Von Papen (who was Chancellor) had to govern jointly by emergency decree because Von Papen could not win the support of the Reichstag. They offered Hitler the office of Vice-Chancellor to gain support of the Nazi seats. Hitler refused but said he would accept the Chancellorship. They were desperate, and Hindenburg secretly felt Hitler would fail, so they agreed.

Wednesday, October 28, 2009 at 9:34:00 PM CDT  
Blogger WI Catholic said...

agnostic,

Not exactly. von Hindenberg was elected with under a majority, with Hitler in second place. They had to have another election of the top three, von Hindenberg this time had more than 50%, and each time, Hitler was second. von Hindenberg appointed two separate people as Chancellor before Hitler. When von Hindenberg died, Hitler joined the two offices of President and Chancellor, and then later declared himself Fuhrer.

Thursday, October 29, 2009 at 8:21:00 AM CDT  

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